Welcome once again to the Conversations that Matter Podcast.

I'm your host John Harris here with me, two guests actually we've had on before.

We have Thomas Accord, who is the headmaster of a Christian school,

and his links for his social media are going to be in the info section.

And then Stephen Wolf, who's actually an author, he's coming out with a book on Christian nationalism very soon.

We'll have to have you on again Stephen to talk about that.

And you can find him on Twitter, links are in the info section. We'll have to have you on again Stephen to talk about that.

And you can find him on Twitter, links are in the info section.

He's a political theorist.

And we're going to talk about Two Kingdom theology today a little bit,

which I think is probably new for a lot of you and my hope today is that we'll just have an introduction to it so that at least if someone uses that that or talks about it or asks about it, you'll at least know what they're talking about.

And so it is an important subject.

And so thank you so much both of you guys for just coming on and being willing to talk about it.

Yeah, thanks for having us, John. Yeah, thanks. Great to be here. So a little background first from me. I am kind of this has been a development in my life to kind of come to this place where I'm I think

comfortable at this point saying yeah okay I believe in two kingdom theology and it's really been a journey that your

podcast helped me to some extent with because you did a whole podcast on this

topic there were a number of other things that played into this as well, but I've had this sense on one side there's this one kingdom view in Christianity, which it always seemed to me to be kind of a one-size-fits-all kind of simplistic tending towards

legalism perhaps at times view and and I I could flush that out maybe we will later in the podcast.

And then I would see this sort of this two kingdom view

that was in my mind kind of crazy.

It was secularism.

It was this principal pluralism where you have a separation of church and state and one has nothing to do with the other and you can have a secularized state that's not accountable to God really at all and that serves as a neutral grounds for Christians to function in and I thought well that's that's ridiculous too and now I'm realizing okay that's that's a different kind of view that's in radical two kingdom view and both you, as I understand it, you represent more of a classic or maybe an Augustinian or a Reformation to Kingdom view and that's what we want to talk about today and so so I'll ask you first

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