It's a wonderful pleasure to welcome Sporting Legend and Tyler's Champion for Fairness in Sports.

It's Sharon Davies, Sharon, how are you?

Hello, I'm really well. Thank you. Let me just move that. There I am right in the middle.

There you are. What's the protocol for Sporting Legends?

Do I have to cut, see? Is there... No, no, just tell me Sharon, please.

Sharon. Well, I'm happy that you're here because I've finished reading your excellent book, Fair Play.

And it's a perfect distillation of the problem we have with the ideology, the impact it's having right now on Women's Sports.

But it's much there historically that I wasn't really aware of, so it's a great, great primer on that as well.

I suppose just to jump, there's so much to jump into on that.

I suppose one of the things might have been interesting to people.

I mean, there's a number of people who just won't accept there are any sex based differences.

They've assumed a lot of this is cultural and I'm not entirely sure we can reach those people.

But some have been misguided into believing a lot of this could be mitigated in Sport.

You know, weight divisions, testosterone levels, things like that.

And I don't necessarily blame them for thinking that because that was policy for the longest time.

Maybe you can just explain why even mitigations are complete non-starter when it comes to these disparities.

Yeah. And it shouldn't have been.

You know, these are sweeping moves that the ISC made in 2015 that was based on absolutely no science work together

and incredibly poor study by Joanna Harper, which was very biased.

It was over a period of 20 years with people self-reporting.

So, you know, no idea of whether they had injuries or whether they'd been training or anything whatsoever.

And basically saying after 20 years they got slower, which you know after 20 years I got slower.

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