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Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

Protecting Uncontacted Tribes from Amazon Organized Crime (Paul Rosolie Returns)

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

IRONCLAD

Society & Culture

4.9648 Ratings

🗓️ 22 April 2026

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

On today’s episode, Andy welcomes back conservationist Paul Rosolie to discuss the "Wild West" reality of the modern Amazon. Paul reveals how organized crime and narco-traffickers have invaded the deep jungle, threatening uncontacted tribes and placing a WhatsApp hit on his life. They discuss the "lethal blow" of the Trans-Amazonian Highway and Paul’s new book, Junglekeeper—a 20-year odyssey of a man standing in the breach against the dark forces destroying our planet’s most vital ecosystem. To purchase Paul's book, visit: https://www.junglekeepers.org/store/items/junglekeeper-the-book Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Chapters: (00:00) Introduction (01:30) The Battle with Amazon Organized Crime (07:00) Writing Jungle Keeper: 20 Years in the Rainforest (10:30) Standing in the Breach: If You Want it Done, Do it Yourself (21:10) The Trans-Amazonian Highway: A Lethal Blow to Nature (27:00) Why Narco-Traffickers are Moving into the Deep Jungle (41:50) Training Lex Fridman: 25 Miles of Battle (51:30) The End Game: Protecting the Amazon’s Last Tribes Sponsors: FIRECRACKER FARM Enter the Firecracker Farms Hot Salts Giveaway from April 20-24, for a chance to win an Ammo Can Hot Salt Kit + handcrafted Walnut Holder: ⁠https://app.viralsweep.com/sweeps/full/2c256c-225272?framed=1 Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ GHOSTBED: Go to https://www.GhostBed.com/IRONCLAD and use code IRONCLAD for an extra 15% off sitewide. Norwood Sawmills: Learn more about Norwood Sawmills and how you can start milling your own lumber at https://norwoodsawmills.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=ironclad&utm_campaign=ironclad Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Me and JJ currently have a hit out on us where the police, they arrested a few of them and

0:07.5

they hacked their phones.

0:09.1

And in their WhatsApp messages on their little narco group chat, it was like, if you see Paul

0:14.0

or JJ, just take them out.

0:15.5

They're like, they'll be a reward.

0:28.4

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Change Agents, an Ironclad original, proudly presented by our spicy friends down at Firecracker Farm.

0:30.9

Today we're going to be talking about saving the rainforest from criminal organizations,

0:35.2

and our guest today is a conservationist, an author,

0:38.0

and founder of the organization, Jungle Keeper.

0:40.8

His name is Paul Rosalie.

0:42.6

Paul has a new book.

0:43.4

It's called Jungle Keeper,

0:44.4

what it takes to change the world.

0:46.2

And it tells the story of his life in the Amazon,

0:48.6

the dangers he and his team have faced,

0:50.8

and what can be done to save the jungle from criminal groups.

0:53.6

Let's dive in. Let's dive in.

1:02.3

If you stop trying to save the rainforest, I think perhaps you'd be better off, right? People would

1:06.4

leave you alone. It's not like we need it. No. People have been whining about saving the rainforest for 40

1:12.6

years. Just shut up. Okay. In that 40 years, what's the most effective argument, or not even

1:18.4

necessarily argument? What's the most effective thing that you have seen or heard of that actually

1:22.4

got people to pay attention and spawned some level of action, whether it was sustained over a long period of time or not.

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