Francis Boyle is a repeat guest; I've interviewed him twice in 2020 about the likelihood of SARS-CoV-2 having been engineered in a lab. Boyle's background includes an undergraduate degree from the University of Chicago, a juris doctor (lawyer) degree from Harvard and a Ph.D. in political science. He's a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law, and wrote the book, "Biowarfare and Terrorism."