Proof That the Unraveling of MAGA Has Begun | James Lindsay
The Rubin Report
Emma Dog Productions
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🗓️ 3 July 2026
⏱️ 46 minutes
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Summary
Dave Rubin of "The Rubin Report" talks to James Lindsay about the rise of the "woke right" and why he believes figures like Tucker Carlson are pushing a movement that threatens the MAGA movement and the American experiment; concerns over JD Vance and whether President Donald Trump understands the ideological battle inside his own administration; how Israel, Iran, Gaza, antisemitism, and October 7 have become litmus tests on the political right; why he believes antisemitism and anti-Israel narratives are spreading differently on the right than on the left; how social media, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Russia, and online propaganda are influencing young conservatives and shaping political radicalization; why AI tools like Grok and ChatGPT can help expose misinformation about Israel and U.S.-Israel relations; how the conservative movement is pushing back against extremism; the role of the Heritage Foundation, evangelical Christians, and MAGA in resisting the shift; why audience capture, AI, social media algorithms, and viral content are accelerating ideological extremism; and much more.
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| 0:00.0 | This unmasking, what I'm talking about is, honestly, ever since Charlie Kirk was murdered, they just took the breaks off or something. What they're doing is positively not in line with MAGA or the conservative movement or President Trump, and it's starting to concern people. The ignore it thing assumes that we're the primary audience that's monetizing their content, and we're not. The primary audiences and and monetizing their content are very likely to be |
| 0:20.9 | recent immigrants to Europe and Canada because the internet's global. Right. So you have all |
| 0:24.2 | these welfare queens on Muslim welfare queens that came in and they're, you know, four to a household |
| 0:28.7 | that are watching content that affirms their hope and belief that the West is turning on Israel and |
| 0:33.9 | Jews. How many people from the third world are on this platform now that we're not on this platform, say, in 2015? 200 million new users. You know, the clicks are there. So this is the most amazing part of kind of totalitarian psychology I've ever seen in here. The left and right touch each other again. Because you have kids, I mean, even before he died, Charlie Kirk was interviewing Turning Point kids on camera. The guys are sitting there saying, like, I can't buy a house, but we give $3 billion to Israel. |
| 0:58.1 | Like, somehow those are connected. |
| 0:59.3 | They're capable of tying up your personal problem into the Omni issue of the day. |
| 1:04.3 | That issue is the explanation for why your challenges is wrong. |
| 1:08.5 | Hassan Piker is the voice of the next wave. |
| 1:11.4 | Hassan Piker is their new poster boy for, you know, the next probably two years. |
| 1:16.2 | This is really the direction. |
| 1:17.6 | They're embracing assassination culture and political violence. |
| 1:20.5 | It's not social democrat. |
| 1:21.9 | It's hard communism. |
| 1:23.2 | So what do the sane people have to do so that we don't wake up? |
| 1:29.3 | Holy cow, we just gave it away. |
| 1:31.5 | Like, we're cooked. |
| 1:40.5 | I'm Dave Rubin. |
| 1:41.4 | This is The Rubin Report. |
| 1:42.9 | And joining me today is my old friend founder of new discourses and excellent swordsmen, according to pictures on the internet. James Lindsay, James, how are you? |
| 1:53.1 | I'm good, and those pictures do me a lot of credit, so that's all I'll say about that. |
| 1:58.1 | We'll throw up a couple of the pictures, and I'm not even going to comment any further, unless you have anything else you want to add about your sword play. How are you feeling about the state of America at the moment? You're somebody who gets things a little early, usually. Are you feeling okay at the moment? Yeah, I mean, I'm still generally optimistic. I'm feeling, I mean, we're in a |
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