in their PR for what they're doing, they say AI has kind of changed the world. It is going to

yield radical abundance, like all these kind of meaningless phrases. And it's like, okay, but break

it down for me. Like, how's that going to work? Is she still going to have a job? Are her kids

still going to be going to school? Like, what does this world look like that you're pitching.

Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us.

I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Julia Black.

Julia is a senior correspondent at Insider and previously worked at Esquire and Vox.

Now, Julia has been doing some fantastic work recently with pieces on pronatalism, on Lex Friedman's podcast, on Sam Altman, and, you know, just on this kind of aspect of the tech industry in general, as it has been moving to the right and adopting some very concerning

ideologies. Julia is also the reporter who broke the story about Elon Musk having twins

with one of the executives at Neurrelink, and we talk about that a little

bit in this conversation as well. In this episode, we touch on a lot of aspects of the various

pieces that Julia has written recently and, you know, topics that are related to it. And the real

goal here is to understand, you know, what these tech elites are

thinking and saying behind closed doors, the kind of world that they are trying to build

through their various projects and through the ideas and the viewpoints. And, you know, as I say,

the ideologies that they are really spreading into the world, right? And, you know, I think for a

long time, we kind of praised the tech billionaires, or at least, you know, I think for a long time, we kind of praised the tech

billionaires, or at least, you know, maybe not we specifically as people who listen to this podcast,

but, you know, they were generally praised, they were generally held up. And in the past few years,

in particular, we have seen a really significant shift in their public personas and also just what they are kind of openly

saying and admitting and the discourses that they are kind of engaging in, right? And that has really

serious consequences for the world that we live in and, you know, where our society might be

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