Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that is some level of genius. It also helps

it. It's a long time ago, right? It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream

van plays music when it's out of ice cream. Listen to evil genius on BBC sounds. Thanks for downloading

the BBC Arts and Ideas podcast. The conversation you're about to hear picks up on themes inspired by the summer's BBC proms concerts.

If you're moved to listen to the music,

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Now over to the audience in the Imperial College Theatre

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There's something pretty special about swans, isn't there?

I mean, would Tchaikovsky Swan Lake really be the classic it is today?

If, at the start of the ballet Prince

Siegfried had decided to hunt geese or ducks instead of swans I don't know about you

but Goose Lake or duck pond just don't have quite the same ring to them if you ask me

in any case it's swans both in their balletic guise and filling the skies above Arctic Russia

that have captured my guest's imaginations.

So we'll be hearing a lot more about these majestic birds before Tchaikovsky's famous score

takes flight next door at the Royal Albert Hall.

I'm Hetta Howes, and one of my guests today is Sarah Crompton. She is a dance critic and writer and she has seen more productions of Swan Lake than,

well, how many have you seen Sarah? I've seen so many that when I go out, my children say,

oh, not Swan Lake again.

So, I don't know, hundreds.

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