Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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the ice cream van plays music when it's out of ice cream.

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For years, light music has been banished to the darkness, the darkness of lifts, the darkness of

pages from Cefax, the darkness of your call is very important to us. Tonight at the Albert Hall,

a little bit of that darkness has been dispelled. Now we're going to explore what that gloom obscured,

a form of music that once surged from the wireless,

from palm courts and bandstands, from the Tannoy system at Butlins.

Here in the Hawaiian Ballroom at the Royal College of Music,

we're joined by two men with an ear for post-war culture.

Are they former oval teenies?

No. Did they ever support Dorothy they former oval teenies? No.

Did they ever support Dorothy Squires in summer season?

No, I'm not going to claim that.

But they are two of our most thoughtful and literate journalists.

Simon Heffer, columnist, cultural historian, Essex Boy,

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