Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that is some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

It's like the podcast version of telling your kids the ice cream van plays music when it's

out of ice cream.

Listen to evil genius on BBC Sounds.

This is the BBC.

I'm Ron Amitter. Thank you for downloading this podcast from BBC Radio 3's Proms Extra.

Hello. For some of us, the idea of sea journeys brings up memories, along with our lunch,

when we recall school trips to Calais on the Sealing Ferry,

making its way through the choppy waters of the North Sea.

But we're taking a rather nobler voyage on the waves today

with guests who are going to mull over marine matters.

Edith Hall is Professor of Classics at King's College London,

and will illuminate the

sea for us as seen in Greek myths and legends. And Barry Cunliff is author of a new book

On the Ocean, which explores how the sea shaped the history of the pre-modern world.

Before we get to the history, though, Barry, Edith, I want to ask, when you close your eyes and

visualize the sea, which sea is it? What does it look like? Edith, I want to ask when you close your eyes and visualize the sea, which sea is it?

What does it look like? Edith, as a classicist, does it have to be the Mediterranean for you?

No, not at all. I remember when I was lecturing on a cruise liner as we went past Istanbul, on the left and the right,

and we got up to the actual gateway of the Black Sea,

which is the one that was most feared by the ancient Greeks, and the waters really do churn,

and it's incredible effort. You can feel the ship juddering, and you get into the Black Sea,

...