Welcome back to the podcast, bribe, swindle, or steel. I'm Alexandra Rogge, and my guest today is Duncan Smith.

Duncan is currently the deputy head of fraud investigations at the European Investment Bank in Luxembourg.

Prior to this role, he spent time at the serious fraud office

in London and the World Bank in Washington. He is also, for our purposes today, the author of

promoting integrity in the work of international organizations, minimizing fraud and corruption

in projects. Duncan, thank you for joining me. Nice to be here. Let's start with a motivation for this book.

Everyone listening to this podcast is interested in anti-bribery and interested in compliance,

but why do we need a book on promoting integrity in the work of international organizations

specifically?

Can you give us your thoughts on that?

What I was trying to do was gather together

a number of different things, procurement rules and sanction rules and all the other

controls that are in place, both in international organisations and also the way corporates

undertake such projects and try to gather it all in one place so that people can

have a think about it and maybe students can think, you know, about governance issues and

procurement issues and ethics issues. Maybe lawyers can think about terms and conditions and

try and pull all the different strands together in a very simple book.

In what ways are the compliance challenges of international organizations different from,

I suspect, most of our listeners are in the private sector. It's difficult to know with the

podcast. But in what way are their challenges different from the challenges you're looking at here?

In many ways, they're very different because they have a defined market and effective law

enforcement and procurement and regulation.

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