Right, yeah, and it's kind of funny because a lot of those people too will be like, well, you know, talk to the native people. They'll tell you like another thing up near there is called Dulce Base, which you might have heard of, which is this belief that there is a below dulse mesa that

there is this secret subterranean alien military facility and so like

somebody was talking to me about it who's a white person and was like you know you have to

ask the Navajo they'll tell you they'll tell you that they've seen it they'll

tell you that they're fighting the amp people and I'm like well actually

know quite a few Navajo people and they're not actually talking to me

about that at all they're talking about people

destroying their fucking land and you know like laying claim to it which is just

another it's frankly just another like weirder manifestation of manifest destiny shit.

It's just being like, well now this is ours to do our weird

fucked up research on.

Yeah, taking their myths too.

And literally making it, like they closed this road

that the local people used every day and just

making their lives harder to investigate this stuff and they're almost

certainly like artifacts burial grounds whatever like on you know the stretches of

land that would be like of use or or literal

sacred sites you know and yeah instead it's just getting trampled over by a

bunch of idiot alien hunters so yeah I feel this is going to be a big theme on the protocol, is talking shit on Bigelow and

Delong.

They're like the big villains of Uphology now to me.

I mean, Delong just very much believes that the government is protecting us from the

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