Hello listeners this is your podcast co-host Sam Ether Bell popping into the know-your- enemy

feed to share an extra episode with you a special episode it's an interview I did on

slate's daily news podcast what next you probably remember a few I did on Slate's Daily News Podcast, What Next?

You probably remember a few months ago,

we I know your enemy, went deep on Project 2025.

And as you may have seen, Project 2025 more or less imploded over the last few days.

That's why the incredibly talented host of what next, Mary Harris, called me up and asked

me to come on her show and explain it all. A quick note about what next as you'll

hear it's a deep analytical dive into relevant and breaking news which comes out

every weekday. If you like what you hear, I genuinely do encourage you to go over to their

feed and subscribe. And to be clear, and I was asked to be clear about this, it's what next? No apost apostrophes not what is next but what next as

in oh geez what next what could possibly be next yet another awful thing

okay I guess it is.

All right, here's Mary.

Enjoy. Oh, uh, yeah.

Oh, uh, uh, Sam, I'll start here. How did you know that Project 2025 had become a political buzzword?

It's interesting. I've been following Project 2025 for a long time, basically since it started.

But it was only in the past couple of months that I saw it everywhere.

Sam Edler Bell hosts the Know Your Enemy podcast.

Welcome to part four of our series Project 2025.

How Democracy Dies.

And when he says Project 2025 has been everywhere, he means everywhere.

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