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And we continue with our American stories.

While in modern times, we often view prohibition as a failure and even a

misstep by fanatics, it's a more complicated tale. Today, Travis Spengenberg, creative and production

manager for the American Prohibition Museum in Savannah, Georgia, tells us the complicated story

behind prohibition, as well as humanizing

it all through the story of Carrie Nation.

And she was famous for smashing illegal saloons up with an axe.

From the streets of Savannah, here's Travis.

It's so easy to approach history really academically, even with things I'm very interested

in like US presidents.

And it's very easy to say, well, you know, John F. Kelly was the 35th president.

He served from then to then until his assassination.

But I always got really into, kind of hooked by the human stories behind people. I just read the other day.

I do a series on our Facebook called Presidential Drinking, where I look into the drinking habits

of the presidents. And, you know, all your life you hear, Franklin Pierce precipitated Civil

War. He kind of failed to, these were his policy failures, regarded as one of our worst presidents.

But then you look at the man was a heavy drinker, alcoholic.

On the way to Washington to get inaugurated, he gets in a train accident.

His son is the only casualty from his family.

His wife and him are present. they see their little boy decapitate

and then he has to go be president, already having a drinking problem, and he essentially

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