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I agree that redistribution on a global scale and imagining a kind of world welfare state,

although it's been proposed many times actually.

It's not feasible in the next few days or years,

but it ought to be the long-term horizon of progressives.

But there are other values.

We talk about war, but there's also democracy.

And I think we've seen that the value of democracy seems to require us to engage in fair deals in every national setting,

if only to stave off disaster.

And so it'll be an intricate problem to fit together what to do in every national setting,

as long as that's where policy is made with this larger global agenda.

But there's no doubt that as a matter of right and wrong,

cosmopolitanism is where we need to be heading.

I'm Matthew Kahn, and this is the LawFair podcast February 5th, 2019.

Many critics of Donald Trump's foreign policy say the president has undermined the liberal international order.

But some progressives question whether liberal internationalism was worthwhile to begin with.

On Sunday, Jack Goldsmith had a conversation with Samuel Moyne,

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