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Putin is very dangerous because he's a bit unexpectedly cornered that makes him more dangerous.

This is a mixture of a war and a hostage negotiation.

Because he has nuclear weapons, he's in a sense holding Ukraine and the West hostage.

So it's very dangerous and it's very delicate.

The key to this when it ends, I think Putin needs an off-ramp or a face-saving way where he can

quote the clear victory, unquote, and retreat back to his lair. Sometimes it's better to let the

bear run out of the cage back into the forest. Dr. Ken Declava is a former State Department

Regional Medical Officer and Psychiatrist, and he has currently a senior fellow at the George

H.W. Bush Foundation for U.S.-China Relations. Dr. Declava is an expert on analyzing the

psychology of world leaders. He joins us today to talk about this unique area of expertise

and about a handful of important world leaders, including Vladimir Putin. We'll be right back with

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