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Professor Josiah Osgood on Cato, Caesar and the Battle for Rome's Legacy

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🗓️ 7 December 2022

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Ryan speaks with historian of Rome Josiah Osgood about his new book Uncommon Wrath: How Caesar and Cato’s Deadly Rivalry Destroyed the Roman Republic, the complicated legacy of Cato, how Caesar and Cato’s relationship can help inform our daily lives, and more.

Josiah Osgood is Professor of Classics at Georgetown University. His teaching and research cover many areas of Roman history and Latin literature, with a special focus on the fall of the Roman Republic. Josiah’s interest in the fall of the Roman empire began in high school Latin class, where he read Cicero’s speeches against Catiline. He found Cicero’s rhetoric so powerful that he became enthralled by Roman politics and has been studying the subject compulsively for twenty years since. He is the author of several books, including Caesar's Legacy, Turia: A Roman Woman’s Civil War, and How to be a Bad Emperor.

Listen to Josiah and Ryan’s previous conversation from 05/11/22 here: https://dailystoic.com/josiah-osgood/ 

Check out Rome’s Last Citizen by Rob Goodman and Jimmy Soni.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the weekend edition of the Daily Stoic. Each weekday we bring you a meditation

0:09.9

inspired by the ancient Stoics, something to help you live up to those four Stoic-virtues

0:15.1

of courage, justice, temperance and wisdom. And then here on the weekend we take a deeper

0:21.3

dive into those same topics. We interview Stoic philosophers, we explore at length how

0:28.7

these Stoic ideas can be applied to our actual lives and the challenging issues of our time.

0:36.3

Here on the weekend when you have a little bit more space when things have slowed down,

0:41.6

be sure to take some time to think, to go for a walk, to sit with your journal and most

0:47.4

importantly to prepare for what the week ahead may bring.

0:56.0

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1:06.8

Hey it's Ryan Holiday, welcome to another episode of the Daily Stoic podcast. You've probably

1:13.7

heard me talk about Kato on the podcast before. He is this fascinating Stoic figure because

1:19.2

in many ways he embodies the absolute best of what it means to be Stoic. He had this strict

1:24.8

moral code. He cared about the little guy. He studied deeply. He was unflinchingly honest.

1:33.0

I talk about him a lot in lives of the Stoic. We have a whole chapter on him. He, Cicero

1:37.4

famously said of Kato that he acted as if he lived in Plato's Republic instead of in

1:44.6

the Dredges of Romulus, right? That he lived and acted as if decency and goodness was

1:52.7

possible and important as opposed to being this kind of pragmatic Machiavellian self-interested

2:00.6

politician that we come to expect from politicians today. But it's funny. The more I read about

2:07.2

Kato, the more I admire and like him and the less I admire and like him. That's why I

2:11.9

think he is so important to study. Going back to Plutarch who's fascinating essay is

2:16.1

worth reading. There's also a book called Roam's Last Citizen, which I sell at the Pay

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