Well, last week I could not wait for Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taiibi to go in front of

Congress so they can go over what they discovered in their reporting with the Twitter files

that have been not widely reported but have been filed out fascinating and aggravating.

But I want to hear the insight and maybe Matt Taiibi did too. Joining us now is the journalist

and author of Grifftopia, the divide, the business secrets of drug dealing and hate ink.

He's got a great column that you can subscribe to and sub-stack. Matt, welcome back.

Thanks for having me, Brian. So Matt, I read what you wrote about your meeting so I know you were

kind of nervous and anxious to look forward to telling everything that needs to be told,

but we discovered on Twitter with the Twitter files and the access you got. Instead, what happened?

Well, the Democrats, I expected them to attack us, but really they were really comically

inept attacks and cut off any attempt to engage in any kind of conversation about the material.

And really just tried to get us to admit that Russian interference happened. They tried to

talk about my sourcing, which was very strange. And they called us a direct threat to people who

oppose them, which is, you know, it's the kind of thing they complained about when Donald Trump was

president. You know, if he had said that to a journalist, can you imagine what the reaction

had been? What have been? So cold journalist, you mean? Right, so cold journalist, that's

right. I forgot about that little thing too. So cold journalist. So Matt, like I've been following

it and it's not easy. Elon Musk said you can have access to the Twitter files and to go in there

sexually and organize and see what you see here and report whatever it is. And the same thing

with Michael Shellenberg and Barry Weiss, you know, the threesome. So yeah, you threesome, you

were called is unbelievable. How people didn't even put their research time in. Can you give

my listeners an idea of some of the things broadly that you discovered?

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