Joining us now is Stephen Quay.

Dr. Quay, welcome back.

Well, thank you, Brian.

It's great to be here.

We're seeing a lot of you around talking in a way

in which we could all understand

that aren't doctors or scientists.

You write in your column in one of the areas with,

you say the COVID-19 has a genetic footprint

that has never been observed in a natural coronavirus,

but one used repeatedly by gain of function researchers,

super-charging viruses.

You still hold to that, I imagine.

Can you expand on it?

Well, true, I can.

I mean, basically, the two rare events

happened simultaneously in this thing called the furan sight,

which is an activation.

It's basically the spring, like in the, in the,

Jack in the box, it allows the virus to pop up

and inject yourselves with RNA.

So first, the presence of a furan sight,

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