The models that I trust, the models who have been correct show that Delta will peak in the next few weeks and then we'll see a decline beginning at the end of August or in early September.

McCory and he was citing what happened in England and what would happen in India. They saw the big spike and then the big turnaround now keep in mind to the timing of the UK variant is interesting because they were opening up and as they were opening up the variant was hitting and they still kept opening up and now they've gotten to the other side of it.

Does Dr. Mark Siegel agree? He's Fox News is medical contributor author of a book called COVID the politics of fear and the power of science. Dr. Siegel, welcome back. Do you agree with Dr. McCory on this?

Well, I view it a bit differently, but I certainly agree with the conclusion. I think that we're probably going to head out of this thing in September and I'll tell you why in India it's because a lot of people got COVID and they developed antibodies and they developed immunity and that slowed it down.

In the UK, it's probably because there was a huge ramp up Brian of vaccination and you can do it either way and one thing Dr. McCory has done that I agree with is he and I both have put a spotlight on the fact that natural immunity is being ignored here, meaning that if you get COVID and you get over it and you get antibodies, it protects you and that's a huge oversight on the part of the Biden administration to only talk about vaccines and not talk about people with antibodies from from COVID that I mean I don't even want to get the vaccine yet.

So that helps to slow down the delta variant. One thing I do want to add though is that there's a lot of people out there that are vulnerable that haven't been vaccinated and haven't had COVID that we need to get the shot. That's really, really important. We want to follow the UK model rather than the India model. Let's get out of this thing by getting more and more people vaccinated. And yes, I think it will go down by the fall.

What percentage that you know of or numbers that you might trust or if you want to ballpark it if this CDC hasn't done it yet are breakthrough breakthrough cases like that Lindsey Graham God fully vaccinated early on, he said I called and talked to him Monday, he said it's like a cult.

Well, so that's another thing that's been mismessage, you know, maybe we'd have a lot less anxiety in this country if everything wasn't mismessage, everything breakthrough infections are just the way you just describe them, which is Brian, you get a vaccine and you know, maybe you get a call.

I mean, the vaccine has two main purposes, one to decrease severe infection and hospitalization. It's almost a hundred percent effective attack, an enormous home run.

Second, to decrease spread to those around you who might be at risk and that's not being emphasized enough, but the breakthrough infection is getting way more attention than it deserves.

What we need to do is focus more on the fact that most people hospitalized almost all were in vaccinated or didn't have immunity from prior infection as I keep adding.

So that's why you're not going to get people vaccinated if you keep showing cases like Lindsey Graham, who has a cold and calling it a breakthrough, I'd rather just call it a cold.

Right, so you know, he is very pro vaccine, so that's yeah, so he's not coming out against it and he said, right, you know, but he was a little he was with Joe Manchin on that boat, where they were talking about this bipartisan infrastructure deal on Joe Manchin's houseboat, and he came up positive.

So with all those lawmakers there, they wonder, oh, but two weeks, this is the two week stat hospitalization drop 82% cases are up 119% deaths are up 74% but that's just 439.

I mean, that we're looking at we have over 600,000 deaths 439 is very low in proportion to this. So when you look at the Delta variant, why is it so effective right now?

Why is it so easily spread?

By the way, this is what I love about you that you always have the stats exactly right and at your fingertips.

The Delta variant is tilting younger. Why? Because over 80% of the elderly population is fully vaccinated in the United States.

So every time we talked about high risk groups before we meant it, but again, administration moving the goalposts now not talking about the fact that the people that are getting COVID tend to be younger, tend not to be as sick.

You could talk about the hospitalization rate going up, but the numbers themselves are way lower than when we had the huge onslaught last winter.

And the reason is because they're healthier people. So the Delta variant itself, the thing that really demarcates it is that it spreads widely.

It spreads much more easily and you get a lot of than your nose, which by the way is the reason I'm not so sure masks help that much.

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