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Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts

Processing Grief, Faith, and the Unexpected with Nicole Avant

Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts

Woman Evolve, Inc

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.87.1K Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2026

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

Ahead of Mother’s Day, former diplomat Nicole Avant shares a powerful testimony shaped by faith, grief, and identity following the loss of both her mother and father. Reflections on her parents’ extraordinary lives reveal formative lessons that continue to inform how she navigates the world. What so beautifully emerges in conversation with host Sarah Jakes Roberts is a reminder that resilience is inherited, refined through experience, and anchored in faith. Listen in for a story that lingers long after it ends. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

My mom would always say, you know, also, if you know when you leave this earth that you made even just one or few people's lives easier, better, made people feel valuable you are listening to the Waman Evolve podcast. What's up with you? What has been going on in your world? Are you one of those people who are in the season of your life where you're like, listen, I am thriving and flourishing. Everything is going well in my world or does it look like it's going well and on the inside you're crumbling? Or do you look like what you're going through and is all coming down. I don't know where you are or at what stage of life you are in,

0:58.8

but it is my prayer that this podcast meets you right when you need it the most and that it will be

1:04.2

a gift from God that strengthens your heart. There are so many times when we look at people's

1:09.5

lives, especially when we're going through

1:11.4

something or take an inventory of our lives and we think to ourselves, they really seem like

1:16.9

they have it going together on the outside. But on the inside, there's something else happening,

1:22.9

something that we would never guess because we did not take the time to look beneath the surface. That is what I

1:29.1

am going to challenge you to do this episode, is to dare to look beneath the surface. I remember

1:35.2

this story when I was a young girl after I had had my son and I was talking to my father.

1:41.7

And a lot of you know, but I was a teen mother. My father's a pastor, and whenever I went back to church with my son, there was always this lady who would look at me whenever I was holding my baby, and I always felt like she was judging me because I was a teen mom, and I had received so much judgment, so much criticism. And I told my father, I don't want to go to church anymore. Every time I go to church, people are staring at me. They're looking at me with shame or pity. And I would rather just not go at all. And I'm like, especially this one lady. I always see her in the hallway. And she's just looking at me with so much disappointment. And my father goes on to tell me that that that woman in particular had actually had an abortion

2:18.5

when she was a teenager and that it was something that plagued her throughout her life.

2:23.7

And it taught me a valuable lesson about what we think people are seeing when they're looking

2:28.5

at us and even what we think we see when we look at others.

2:32.6

Sometimes we are making up stories in our head based

2:36.0

off of our insecurities and fears without any idea of what's actually happening in their life.

2:42.4

And that has been something that I keep with me as I engage with other people. Oftentimes,

2:47.3

we're all fighting battles that the other person can't see. And I am hopeful that this week, as you are listening to this podcast, that you feel like

2:55.5

someone else is in the fight with you.

2:57.4

There are so many mind your business questions that we get.

3:00.2

First of all, I am enjoying it.

3:01.5

If you want me to mind your business, I want to remind you that you can call me at 214-790-871 and I can mind your business.

3:11.6

Now, listen, let me tell you something. I'm going to pray about it. I'm going to seek the Lord

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