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Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts - Probing the Mueller Probe, and Inside the Chamber for Masterpiece Cakeshop

Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

Slate Audio

News Commentary,, Government, News

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 December 2017

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

The Mueller investigation keeps keeping on as subtweets, speculation, and objections mount. Dahlia Lithwick speaks with Andrew Wright, a former associate counsel to President Barack Obama about the latest developments. Plus a deep dive into the oral arguments in the Masterpiece Cakeshop case with Roberta Kaplan, who successfully argued Edie Windsor’s case against the Defense of Marriage Act in 2013.

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0:00.0

There isn't going to be an impeachment fairy, and Bob Mueller waving a magic wand isn't going to undo an election that people are upset about the result of.

0:10.3

But each factual disclosure and each legal act that Mueller's team takes shapes the political environment and affects the sort of nexus between law and politics.

0:22.1

Who else is an artist?

0:24.0

Say that the person who does floral arranging, owns a floral shop.

0:29.6

Would that person also be speaking at the wedding?

0:33.3

How about the person who designs the invitation?

0:36.3

The hairstylist?

0:37.3

Why is there no speech in creating a wonderful hairdo? How about the person who designs the invitation? The hairstylist?

0:41.4

Why is there no speech in creating a wonderful hairdo?

0:42.5

The makeup artist?

0:43.9

What the court would ask. It's called an artist, the makeup artist.

0:50.9

Hi, and welcome to Amicus, Slate's podcast about the law and the courts and the U.S. Supreme Court.

0:56.5

A little bit later in the show, we're going to bring you inside the chamber for oral arguments that took place this last week in masterpiece cake shop.

1:05.0

That's the Colorado case about bakers and civil rights that we previewed in the last show.

1:10.1

But first, we wanted to turn to the

1:13.0

unbelievable highs and lows of the Robert Mueller investigation. This entire week has been

1:20.3

such a monstrous week, starting a week from Friday with a plea deal with Michael Flynn,

1:26.2

and then sprawling into just a puddle of tweets and claims about executive authority.

1:32.6

And then there was Alan Dershowitz. And now a growing clamor by Republicans that maybe we just need to shut the whole probe down.

1:40.1

So we wanted to talk all things Mueller with Andrew Wright. He served as Associate Counsel to President Barack Obama and was former staff director of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

1:53.5

He's also a founding editor of Just Security, which I am imploring you to bookmark. And he's an associate professor at Savannah Law School in Georgia.

2:02.6

So first, Andy, welcome to Amicus.

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