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Code Switch

Probation and parole β€” the under-researched arms of mass incarceration

Code Switch

NPR

Society & Culture

4.6 β€’ 14.5K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 27 September 2023

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

In the past decade, the problem of mass incarceration has gotten increased attention and thought. But in his new book, Mass Supervision, Vincent Schiraldi argues that in those conversations, people often neglect to think about probation and parole β€” two of the biggest feeders to the U.S.'s prison population. These systems surveil close to four million Americans, which Schiraldi says is both a huge waste of resources and a massive human rights violation. On this episode, we're talking to Schiraldi about how probation and parole came to be, why they're no longer working as they were once supposed to, and why he thinks they might need to be done away with entirely.

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0:00.0

Just the heads up y'all this episode has some cussing so watch out

0:03.9

Let's good y'all. You're listening to code switch. I'm Jean Demby

0:08.9

Okay, so some years ago I was home visiting my family in Philly for a week and I mentioned to my cousin

0:14.8

I wanted to go buy some sneaks and my cousin was like cool

0:18.8

Let's go

0:19.8

We hopped in the car and headed to a spot in South Jersey just across the river. It couldn't have been more than a 25-minute drive

0:27.3

We shopped a little maybe for like 45 minutes and then we headed back home a completely

0:32.8

unremarkable excursion

0:34.8

But as we drove back my cousin started to get worried

0:40.4

Because it had somehow not crossed either of our minds

0:44.6

Until we were nearly back home, but my cousin was on probation and it was majorly against the rules for people on probation

0:52.0

To cross state lines without getting permission from an official like a probation officer well in advance

0:58.4

So our stupid little spontaneous joint to cop some sneakers could have ended with them getting locked up

1:05.4

It just

1:06.7

Depended on a whole lot of stuff like whether their probation officer or a judge wanted to turn this into a thing

1:12.1

And I remember my cousin being despondent for a few days wondering

1:17.8

Whether they had just blown up their freedom

1:22.1

And it was real reason to worry because in my hometown a mind-boggling number of people likely find themselves

1:28.3

Sweating over whether they messed up like we did that afternoon stressing over stuff that is barely notable for those of us without convictions

1:35.5

let alone

1:37.0

jailable

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