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Just the heads up, y'all. This episode contains descriptions of violence,

and some salty language, and a racial slur.

Shrews are on? I'm Rola.

Hi, Jane. How are you?

Do you remember where you were when you heard about the Supreme Court overturning affirmative action?

Because Mary Tobin definitely does.

I was on my couch in my living room, and my phone was blowing up.

It's like, what's going on? And I turned on the television, and I saw it.

I can't, can't say the words that I yield.

That court decision left a lot of folks, and a lot of colleges, really.

And it hit Mary particularly hard.

Mary is a black woman. She was a captain in the U.S. Army.

She's a combat veteran, and Mary is a proud graduate of a U.S. military academy.

In her case, we're talking about a West Point.

And that's where she experienced something a lot of black college students do

when they go to elite institutions.

Even though I know what my SAT score was, and my physical fitness score was,

and I know my leadership abilities, and why I was admitted,

a lot of times the admissions process for black students is framed as,

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