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Get a chance to talk to a long time friend. Bill after from the old pro wrestling

Illustrated days which back in the days and we're going to get into this conversation was you know the Bible a professional wrestling a lot of guys

You know would go to the top 10 to find out where they stood in the national rankings. Bill welcome to the show. How you doing?

Well, thank you. It is a thrill to be here because Bill after said so.

Hey, you know, Bill we've got we our history goes so far back. You know, we're going to get into the MRI story and all that other stuff.

But we're just I know you're on a limited time schedule today. We're going to cover a hard 60 minutes with you and then

If you get another chance come back and we'll continue the conversation because someone has been around the business as long as you have

The scene as much as you have there's no way one two or three conversations can cover it. But nonetheless, let's get them all rolling today.

But we're going to be going all the way back to be talking about my days with Abraham Lincoln and all this kind of

Well, we could I mean, you know, Abraham Lincoln was highly underrated as a technical wrestler and probably had one of the greatest drop kicks in the history of the business that's been lost and some of the people you

You need stories and this is no this

However, he got mad because he never made it to the number two spot in the rankings

You know when people take the spots to very serious on the pro wrestling illustrated

Rankin so let's let's just go ahead and start with that the PWI 500 when was that started? Oh

I can't give you an exact date on that. I'm not really sure because I've been gone from there for almost 14 years now

But when the editor

Came up with that we all looked at him was what

Rank 500 guys are you kidding me and

We would have like board meetings. We've been a conference room for days and weeks

With people and all the editors just arguing especially about

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