Ultimately, in every move, there's what we call the chowder.

It's usually lamps, exercise equipment.

Vacuums.

Vacuums is a perfect one, exactly, yeah, upright vacuums.

Just things that you cannot put conceivably into a single box.

To save the most money, you want to reduce the amount of chowder.

I'm Christine Cyr Clissette. I'm Cairo Blackwell. I'm Rosie Garron. And you're listening to The Wirecut all here.

We're here.

Hi, guys.

It's so nice to be together, especially to talk about a universally miserable experience.

Drum roll, please.

Moving.

Yeah.

Yeah. And we've all done it maybe too many times. Too many times. Yeah. I've moved probably like 15, 20 times. I'm patting myself on the back because I haven't moved in two years. Oh, well, congratulations. But then before that, you moved like. Yeah. Skate right over it. Skate right over that. A lot of moves. Yeah. I think moving is a really painful process no matter how you do it. And that's why I'm so excited to talk to Kit Dylan today

because Kit, while he is our travel gear expert here at Wirecutter, also Moonlights as a mover

on the side. Because he has all of this great experience with moving as his side hustle, he actually helped us create an entire group of articles all about moving.

And so we have those linked in the show notes. We cover everything in those from the essential packing supplies you want to have on hand.

We also have a moving checklist. And then there's actually a couple pieces in there with some really

great pro tips from Kit about how to actually pack your stuff and how to pack a moving van if you're doing it yourself.

We've spoken to him before on this podcast about luggage and beach gear because Kit has been covering these topics for over a decade here.

I'm really excited to hear all his best tips for how to make

your movie experience just a little bit better. I should also say thank you to our listeners

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