Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on tonight's show.

I have a very special guest. We're doing a live show on YouTube. His name is Jason Horsley. I was, I talked to him in 2017.

He and I also did a show about an earlier book he published titled Dark Oasis, A Self-Made Messiah Unvealed.

And it was about a guy in Canada by the name of John or John DeRuder, who was kind of a new age figure.

But on tonight's show, we're going to talk about a book he recently published, I think, last month.

Was it April or May?

April or May?

The title of the book, which is an excellent book I've read through it,

the title is Prisoner of Infinity, UFOs, Social Engineering, and the Psychology of Fragmentation

by Jason Horsley.

Jason, are you there?

Hi, Bill.

Hi, how are you?

Good. Sound good and clear. We kind of had a few little technical issues, but why don't we start by you talking a little bit about your background and yourself and how you came to write this book?

Okay, well, I suppose it started with discovering Whitley Streber.

Who was Whitney Strieve? We got communion, right?

So, Whitley Striever was a horror writer, a novelist, who was extremely successful, extremely quickly, which certainly with my

current mindset I view with some suspicion, I probably didn't back when I first discovered

him. I guess my first exposure to Whitley Streber would have been watching The Hunger, which is a

Tony Scott movie, and that was his second novel.

His first novel was Wolfen, which was also made into a movie with Albert Finney,

which I guess I also saw when I was an adolescent.

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