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Thinking Allowed

Prison violence, sound and survival

Thinking Allowed

BBC

Society & Culture, Science

4.4997 Ratings

🗓️ 10 February 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The winner of the British Society of Criminology Book Award in 2025 was Kate Herrity. Her study looks at the way our different senses contribute to the experience of prison life and is called Sound, Order and Survival in Prison: The Rhythms and Routines of HMP Midtown. Her research looks at the way for many prisoners, listening becomes a vital survival practice.

Kate Gooch is a Professor of Criminology and Criminal Justice at the University of Bath. In her new book, 'Prison Violence - The Search for Recognition and Respect', she analyses the nature, causes and culture of prison victimisation in an English young offender institution for men aged 18-21 years old. Her research examines how hierarchies develop, how fear circulates, and how both staff and young men negotiate constantly shifting landscapes of threat, reputation and authority.

Laurie Taylor presents.

Producer: Natalia Fernandez

Transcript

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0:00.0

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0:05.7

Hello, you're about to listen to a BBC podcast, and I'm Ed Gamble, host of another BBC podcast, The Traitors Uncloaked.

0:12.7

But my show is available only on BBC Sounds, just like Ellis and John's Saturday bonus episodes,

0:18.2

The Pop Top Ten podcast with Scott Mills and Rylan, and comedy specials

0:22.2

from the likes of Harriet Kemsley, Susie Ruffle and Rommashranganathan.

0:26.0

However, and maybe I'm biased, it's really all about the traitors uncoaked.

0:30.3

So for a whole bunch of exclusive scoops and podcasts, listen only on BBC sounds.

0:35.4

This is a Thinking Aloud podcast from the BBC, and for more details and much, much more about thinking aloud,

0:42.5

go to our website at BBC.co.com.

0:46.9

Nearly 60 years ago, when I was a junior sociology lecturer at the University of York,

0:53.1

I was invited, together with Stanley Cohen, to give a

0:56.0

series of lectures to the inmates of the maximum security wing of Durham Prison.

1:02.0

Well, at that time, this small wing has some of the countries most feared, most, well, most

1:07.6

notorious criminals, John McVicca, the Cray brothers,, Ian Brady and the great train robber, Bruce Randalls.

1:15.8

Well, we wrote a book about our time in Durham Prison, a book called Psychological Survival,

1:21.1

which attempted, among other things, to document the distinctive claustrophobia of the security wing,

1:26.7

the lifeless, the almost soundless

1:29.5

atmosphere. It's like living in a submarine, said one prisoner. All of which meant that I was

1:36.6

fascinated to read a new book which concentrated on the soundscape of a very different prison, a far more,

1:43.2

well, normal type of prison, a soundscape

1:46.2

composed of constant clangs, bangs, bangs and jangles, a veritable cacophony of sound.

1:54.7

And that book is entitled, Sound, Order and Survival in Prison, The Rhythms and Rout and routines of HMS Midtown.

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