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And boomer on, today's guests have a big bit of fury.

Pia, good to see you, J.

Absolute pleasure, brother. Pleasure.

Yeah, listen, a man who's very well respected,

all around, not just to UK, but the world,

for the things that you've achieved.

Listen, some dark things, a lot of positives,

like so many positives and listen, that's life.

I know a lot of people who's very well connected with you

and they speak highly, so highly of you, that's...

There's not many people who show respect,

but for me, I don't...

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