We're bringing Australian True Crime live to Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne this July,

and I have to tell you that Brisbane sold out already.

Good for you, Brisbane, so we've quickly added a second show.

Now we can't keep adding more shows, so please make sure you get your tickets. Our special guests,

our forensic criminologist Santee Mallet in Brisbane and Sydney and the one and only Charlie Bazzina in

Melbourne. There'll be a Q&A of course so you can ask your own burning questions on the night but you have to book quickly.

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That was really when I started to see the marginalisation of those officers.

The vast majority didn't feel anybody cared about them.

They felt totally unvalidated for what they do.

And so there's this sort of like dramatic dichotomy between the danger that they lived and worked in, the psychological

and physical injuries that they are experiencing and yet this view that no one gives the staff.

I can't really truly imagine what it's like to be in a job where you have to be

vigilant all the time, being ready to attend to traumatic and unpredictable situations. But that's what prison officers have to do every day.

Our guest today is social worker and therapist Bruce Perram. He's worked with hundreds of

officers and he's written a book called Code Blue,

Prison Officer in Danger, about trauma and PTSD in these first responders.

Through the course of his years of going in and out of prisons and hearing the day-to-day experiences of prison officers,

Bruce came to understand that he was dealing with professionals, expected to run towards unpredictably dangerous situations at any moment in the course of a work day.

It's a high-risk occupation and it's one that we as a general public don't really know much about.

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