And now for part two for our interview with Jennifer Knapp for Pride Month.

That was great.

And do you know and realize how rare it is that you did not self-flagelate just when you

realize you were gay?

That sentence to me astounds me that you did not automatically think I'm going to hell. I am a sinner.

I need to repent. And I get DMs all the time from people coming out who are young. And like you said, my first question is, are you physically safe?

Answer to that takes us to the next.

And of course, I hand it off to other LGBT activists. But how rare it is for you not to have been felt you were unworthy or a sinner or going to hell is nearly unheard of to tell the truth.

Yeah, and I don't want to take, like, I think it's important to say it wasn't like that wasn't in my mind.

Okay, yeah.

I didn't, because I've been in that environment for so long.

I was like, oh, if I do this, well, first off, I'm not kind of a heaven or hell

theologian anyway.

So I've got a whole kind of direction that I could go with that, but I won't.

But there was, in realizing, like the moment where you kind of go,

oh, this is where I'm at, right?

When you say to yourself, oh, this is what I believe or I'm certainly going to,

I'm certainly gay.

Like I certainly want to be in this relationship with my partner.

So the confidence that I had in that going, oh, okay, this is, this is a very, like, this choice is

definitely a disqualification. Like, I understood and I recognize that for a community of people,

this was a disqualification for me, at least with them socially, that this was a disqualification

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