Goody, humans. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. Here's a dangerous conundrum to find

yourself in. Imagine if you felt that you were entrusted, not only with ensuring and upholding

the fate of your political party, but of American democracy itself, saving the Republic from a slide into a soft, squishy authoritarianism,

the likes of which countries like Hungary and Turkey have been dabbling with.

That's the concern that a lot of senior Democrats face in the United States.

They regard what the Trump administration is doing as being fundamentally

inimical to the American Democratic project. So how do you respond? There seem to be two factions

at the moment on the left in America. The whole thing feels fairly moribund and stale and apathetic

in terms of how it's approaching pushback

to the Trump administration. But it does seem split nonetheless between those who feel they should

stand up for a very, very long time in the Senate and give grand speeches against Donald Trump,

or those who feel they should be jumping onto social media all the time and

slam dunking him rhetorically, on the one hand, versus on the other hand, a school of thought

that says, this administration is not going to be very popular anyway, let it play out,

don't risk injuring yourself by being seen as a party of pontificating losers. Instead, just

stay quiet, make yourself a small target and let the Trump show collapse in on itself eventually.

Democrats cannot just offer resistance to Trump, of course. They do need to offer an alternative

at some point, but how exactly

they should is the question for today's conversation. Whenever I need a vibe check of the American

left, I turn to today's guest, David Packman. He hosts one of the most watched progressive

YouTube shows in the world, the David Packman show. It has over 3 million subscribers. Some of his episodes get

10 million plus viewers. His latest book is The Echo Machine, how right-wing extremism created a

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