From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle.

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tangled Podcast, the place where you can get views from across the

spectrum, some independent thinking and a little bit of our take.

I'm managing editor Ari Weitzman today with Governor Christine Whitman, former governor of New

Jersey, as well as former administrator of the EPA.

Governor Whitman, how are you today?

So far, so good. Yeah, same. I wanted to talk to you

because I went down an absolute rabbit hole about the endangerment finding and its history

in the Clean Air Act and the way the Obama administration justified it and the Supreme Court challenges.

But I want to try to go back to before the endangerment finding.

You were at the APA under President George W. Bush, correct?

Right.

Correct.

Yep.

So in that time, just can you give me a brief rundown of how your EPA, under your

purview, interpreted the Clean Air Act and what emissions fell under the way that you enforced it?

Well, I mean, the Clean Air Act really was the whole essence of the EPA.

I mean, EPA's sole function is to protect human health in the environment.

That's what its charge is.

That's how Congress set it up under Richard Nixon.

And that's what it's supposed to do.

And it was very clear.

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