Hello and welcome to another episode of Realpolitik. I am your host, Firasmodad.

Joining me today is Peter McCormack, who I wanted to invite on the show, firstly as a thank

you, and secondly, because I really wanted to get his views on British politics. He's been

talking to a lot of extremely interesting people, Rupert Lowe, Zia Yusuf, Liz Truss,

and a big bunch of others. And I think that he's got a lot of interesting ideas that I want

to chat with him about. Thank you so much for joining. Thank you for coming. On a personal note,

I'm sitting here because of the first interview I did with you.

Yeah.

So the tables have turned.

The tables have turned.

It led to a chain of events that ended up with me joining the Lotus Eaters and doing

this show with them.

And this was largely because of me meeting you, which was really out of your own kindness.

You made a bet and it helped me a lot.

Well, actually, it came from a very good tweet.

Yes.

Yes.

It came from an insult to Alistair Campbell, who I'm trying to pray for regularly these days.

I still insult him now and then, but he's, when you've set up your own entire politics to be a human punching bag, it's difficult to resist sometimes, and I do fall for that temptation.

But how are you doing?

Yeah, look, I'm doing good.

I don't usually go this side.

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