Hello and welcome to another episode of Realpolitik.

This is a special episode.

I am joined today by Mike Shelby, who is a veteran of the American Army in the intelligence.

He's operated in Iraq and in Afghanistan, has a lot of experience in the field.

He's also the founder of Forward Observer.

And over the last few years, he's really built himself up as a very astute analyst of what

the American left is doing, what Antifa is working on, the plans that they have to try to

disrupt the Trump administration. I want to talk to him about all of that.

And I also want to get some insights from him on how this applies to the United Kingdom and to

other parts of the world that are really seeing the same kind of leftist agitation that is

intended to keep the far left or the ideologues of the far left in power for as long as

possible. Mike, thank you so much for joining me. How are you? Hey, I'm doing well. Thank you for the

opportunity. My pleasure. My pleasure. I notice you on X, you tweet on the gray zone, if I'm not mistaken.

And you've had a bunch of insights on what Antifa is and how it's operating.

Every time we talk about this, the left claims that actually Antifa is an idea, not an organization. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's define what gray zone is. So there's outright war and outright peace.

And the gray zone is the space in between. So no one can say the United States is

at outright war with itself. We're definitely not at peace with ourselves. And so the,

the gray zone is low intensity conflict. So these are forms of conflict or warfare that exist

beneath the threshold of conventional war, but above routine peaceful competition.

And so we look at Antifa on the broader anti-fascist movement.

And it's an idea or in a concept.

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