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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

PREVIEW: Epochs #236 | The Fourth Crusade - Part I with Furius Pertinax

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🗓️ 9 November 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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This week Beau interrupts his series on Verdun to bring you an exclusive conversation with ‘Furius Pertinax’ aka ‘Iron Age Agriculturalist’ aka Marcus. A superb conversation all about the Byzantine Eastern Roman Empire, ultimately culminating in the Fourth Crusade.

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0:00.0

Epox!

0:16.0

Hello and welcome to this episode of Epox where we shall be talking all about the Byzantine Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire.

0:26.8

And I am joined by Furious Person X, aka Marcus. How are you, sir?

0:30.8

Very good, thank you. Thank you very much, both. Much obliged.

0:32.9

Yeah, no, no. Good to be back again.

0:34.3

Yeah, great to have you on. We've made lots of content before and your history of all things Rome,

0:40.0

but particularly, or not particularly, but also even the Eastern Roman Empire.

0:43.2

Have you noticed that lots of people that know stuff about ancient Rome, classical Rome,

0:47.0

sometimes don't have a great knowledge of Eastern Rome.

0:50.2

So it's always great for me when you find someone that does.

0:52.9

Yeah, and it's interesting you say that because one of my favorite documentaries and arguably

0:56.8

like the documentary that led to me on this path as a, you know, as a passion and as a

1:02.1

area study was 1997 BBC's I Caesar.

1:07.8

And it was a periodic sort of five episodeepisode series, starting with Julie Caesar,

1:12.0

and it ends with Justinian. So the episodes were Caesar, Augustus, or Julie Caesar, Octavian

1:19.2

Augustus. Episode three was sort of in that period with Cloudis Nero, because that's sort of a bit of a murky period, obviously.

1:29.3

Did he have Michael Sheen as Nero?

1:31.3

I think it didn't really have much in the way of actors, it's more voice acting.

1:35.3

But no, no, anyway, and then episode on Hadrian, episode of Constantine.

1:40.3

Sorry, it must be six episodes then, and then Justinian was the last one. And it is narrated by Brian Cox though, and not the scientist, Brian Cox, as in the Scotsman of Brian Cox. And he actually does a fabulous job of it. I've never heard the city of Antioch pronouncing quite the same, pronouncing quite the same way. Brian Cox, not to be confused with Brian Cox. Correct, correct, yes. The big burly scots with a beard, not the, like,

2:02.1

ectomorphic skinny scientist.

2:19.0

But, and it's interesting when you watch the final episode in Justinian, there's kind of a bit of an, you know, an epilogue at the end, right? And, you know, oh, the, you know, after the death of Justinian, the Empire Wax and Wayne, yada, yada, yada, yada, you know, many centuries after Rome fell,

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