Well, one thing actually to return to your point about the imagination actually is I think one way that we see that the sort of, you know, mainstream so-called LGBT movement has let go of the imagination is, and I think this is how we see this sort of assimilationist trajectory is where people say that something like marriage,

right? They say, well, marriage is progress. You know, it's a step in the right direction.

And, you know, first of all, they're systematically excluding everyone who has any other

alternative. But second of all, there's no imagination in saying that marriage is a step in the

right direction, right?

We have decades, I mean, marriage is still a central institution of anti-woman, anti-queer,

anti-child violence, right?

And so if you just change it into gay marriage, it doesn't change the institution.

And so we're not imagining, you know, the end of marriage and, you know, universal access to the things

that marriage can sometimes provide, right, housing, health care, a sex life that matters,

the right to stay in this country or leave if you want to, right? Everyone should have that,

not just married people. And it's the same thing with the military. I mean, I see queer people

who allegedly have radical politics say, well, I don't agree with the military, I mean, I see queer people who allegedly have radical politics say, well,

I don't agree with the military, but everyone should have the right to join if they want to, right?

And it's like, no, actually, no one should have the right to join the military, you know,

that we need to be fighting for the end of the military, but people have let go of anything

that is not considered so-called practical. And I think

if queer can give us anything, I think it's to end the idea of the practical, right? If we're fighting

for what other people are considering practical, we're never going to get anywhere. And I think that's

about the rhetoric of choice, exactly what Matilda points to, right,

is about, you know, well, I think what Matilda, your point, your comment about people saying,

well, I don't believe in it, but others should have a choice to do so, which is so much about,

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