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This is John Bachelor, conversation with colleague Jonathan Ward, his book The Decisive Decade American Grand Strategy for Triumph over China. Jonathan takes on China's plan for

Oceania. This is a very careful laid-out plan to dominate the Pacific Ocean way outside the First Island Chain with influence

peddling.

As I'm taught to say, the first instinct for the Chinese communists is to buy you and if they can't buy you

then their idea is to scare you.

There are tactics that are being used all across the Pacific and Indian Ocean.

Jonathan Ward on Rista Oceania.

More of this later.

Well, look, China's belt and road strategy is both an economic and a military strategy.

So they envision multiple what they call maritime economic corridors.

One goes through the Indian Ocean, another goes through the Arctic Sea Route, and by the way they now have

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