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Gold for me is, it's like a, how do you say, an Amal decision, I,

more than a disease, what's doomed.

Because, and it's useless.

Most, I mean, you can use gold for some certain tools in for surgeries and some electronic things

but you could substitute it for others.

You cannot use a glass of gold to drink.

It's too heavy.

You cannot wear it.

I mean, capitalism gave this mineral an importance and a value that it doesn't exist it's a fiction.

So I must say that after being involved with that world, especially not only with the indigenous, with all those

mafia, as you said, tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of anestwellons that move to Bolivar to search for some kind of economic option.

For me, gold is something that should disappear.

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