This is John Batchel, conversation with colleague Jeff McCausen, Colonel the United States Army retired, veteran of NATO.

What must be done to prepare for the Russian attack of a NATO member by 2030?

So proposes Mark Rudy, the General Secretary.

Shipping with resupply after day two and the ammo's low,

you need stuff from America, everything. Where? The port is Rotterdam. Here's Jeff to begin

to describe what is necessary for NATO to rebuild itself to prepare for an attack in less than five years.

More of this tonight.

Well, Don, we tried to solve it during the Cold War,

and a lot of it was through so-called pompous,

pre-positioned overseas material configured in unit sets.

And those were actually brigade, division amounts of equipment, tanks, arborant personnel carriers,

trucks, etc.

That were positioned in Europe so you could fly over troops, jump on the equipment, and

move out.

Those were all withdrawn in the aftermath of the Cold War.

In addition to that, very large stockpiles of ammunition for artillery, tanks, etc.

were pre-positioned all across Europe.

Again, all of that is gone.

So now you're confronted with the problem of not only moving men,

but you've got to move material and move all the logistics,

ammunition, fuel, et cetera, to support that operation.

So that would make it a much more difficult task and let you over time

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