I want to begin with the new administration.

When it comes to things like Biden's stimulus plan and some of his executive orders,

there's certainly an emerging narrative, you know, just outside the realm of climate policy,

I think more broadly that the administration, you know, it's going to be an unusually

progressive one, right?

And on the environment,

I think that's been true as well. So you have stuff like Biden's decision to revoke this

cross-border permit for Keystone XL, stuff like that has fueled the idea that there's a very

sharp turn underway vis-a-vis environmental policy.

There was a recent CNN headline, for example, that read from Keystone XL to Paris to the Paris Agreement,

Joe Biden signals a shift away from fossil fuels, and the lead for that article read,

America's climate policy is getting an extreme makeover. So just to just to begin, I'm very

curious what your assessment of all this is. To what extent would you say the administration

is pursuing what might reasonably be called a progressive course on climate policy?

Yeah, it's a big question. I feel mixed about it because on the one hand, you know, Biden is doing things that are more ambitious on climate than any U.S. president today, right?

The big tagline of the administration on climate has been that

it's a whole of government approach. And so you had people like Janet Yellen talking about climate

and her confirmation hearing to be the Treasury Secretary. Tony Lincoln talked about it for state,

even, you know, White Austin, for military, for the Department of Defense.

So that is good, right?

I mean, I have no objection to the fact that climate really should be, you know,

something that is really considered across agencies and integrated deeply into every functioning

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