Hello and welcome to Epox. Just a little noticed for you. Unfortunately, we are interrupting the Henry

the 5th series. That will be continuing to bring you this special two-part conversation with Luca

Johnson all about the life and career and achievements of Lawrence of Arabia. So once again,

we will be returning to the Henry the fifth series. Thank you for your patience. Hello and welcome to E.pox, where this episode, we should be talking all about the life and

achievements of T.E. Lawrence, aka Lawrence of Arabia, aka the uncrowned king of Arabia, as well as

other names. And I'm joined by Luca Johnson. How are you, Luca? I'm great, really great,

though. Yeah, wonderful to be here.

I think this is the fifth epoch I've done with you now, but it's the first that I've actually

been able to sit down with the venerable beard. So it's, yeah, so yeah, big moment, big moment.

Cool. Well, I've been wanting to talk to somebody or do some sort of content on Lawrence.

For a long, long time. I've been fascinated. I remember seeing the film, the David Lean, early 60s film.

Yes. When I was a kid, it was on TV. It used to be on TV a fair bit.

But, like The Great Escape or Zulu, launch of Arabia.

They used to show it on TV all the time.

They don't anymore for whatever reason.

So I remember seeing that as a kid.

And then when I grew up a bit in my late 20s, I became aware of Seven Pillars of Wisdom.

That is the book, his memoir that he wrote after the war. And since then, I've read Seven Pillars of Wisdom. That is the book, his memoir that he wrote after the war.

And since then, I've read Seven Pillars of Wisdom, I don't know, like four or five times,

a bit too often. I've listened to it on audiobook a couple more times than that.

And then I've read around Lawrence a fair bit as well.

There's a good book by a guy called Michael

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