But anyway, he was a guy leading this program, driving people in helicopters, and trying to see if you can make lutes, quail lutes.

Quail luts.

So, yeah, we'll get to that later, but yes.

Yeah, but basically, like, and LSD, MDMA, if they could use, like, airspray this to pacify the masses.

So they're doing this on one side.

On the other side, they have a bunch of other black ops going on.

Like, they have various death squads.

Effectively, and as you mentioned before, what it also happened is they had to create

this sort of vast black market economy, the billions of dollars for arms and oil smuggling, and

they use some of this profit for self-enrichment, and then funding black operations to, in terms

of death squads, to take out enemies of the apartheid state, to discredit journalists, to harass

people, to spy on people,

and there's a number of things going on the time.

One of these, which is very important, is called the Civil Cooperation Bureau,

which had a bunch of different branches, but among other things,

got pretty infamous since it was disbanded.

It was set by guy called Magnus Milan, who was the defense minister,

but it was completely off the books. It was supposedly self- guy called Magnus Milan, who was the defense minister, but it was completely

off the books and was supposedly self-funded.

Magnus Malon also, if we want to go to that, Wormhole at some point, say Roman Irupol,

is alleged to have had a pedophile island off the coast of Port Elizabeth, a coastal city in the Eastern Cape, where he had helicopters,

he and his associates, take boys from the township, colored township.

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