Hello and this is going to be the final part at least for the short term of the liberalism debate and the

only reason we're going to stop it here is because we could carry this on for ages and I thought it would be good to talk about some other things for once.

But hopefully this is going to bring some sort of resolution. I think we've talked amongst ourselves off camera to try and resolve some of the points

we raised last time. So there's a bit of continuity between the parts. It might even be worthwhile

rewatching, you know, perhaps even the end of the second part, just so it's fresh in your mind what we're going to be talking about.

But I suppose we may as well start there because, of course, we're all well versed in each other's

positions more or less now I think we've talked a fair amount about the sort of

abstract stuff and I think the general theme I want to get nailed down is practical things talking

about real world political systems and things like that or you know things that are rooted

in the real world that are a bit more material

just because they were quite abstract I know Connor doesn't like that word

materialism who scary no it's not it's not, but we'll get into it.

So, I can't quite remember what it was, the last thing.

I think it was a question for Stelios.

I did, yeah. I posed two questions to Stelios at the end of the last one. I wanted to ask at the time,

how is it that liberalism and Marx and don't share the same values of equality and freedom and how are you going to stop

political liberalism the kind that you want to advance from once again being

linguistically subverted and extrapolated out to the kind of

comprehensive liberalism that Carl and I believe we're living under now and we were

finishing on Carl and Stelios going back and forth. I think Stelios said that Carl

was being a galleon. That was where we stopped it. Yes and I think Stelios said that Carl was being a Galleon. That's where we stopped it.

Yes and I can give an argument for this. So I will give you

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