Something I found very, very interesting in your piece was the sense I got that as a McKinsey

employee retained by ICE, it seems like you were pretty deeply integrated with the organization.

You write that you were functionally the equivalent of full-time ICE employees, you and your team,

and you even had ICE email addresses.

And the reason I bring this up is because that line in your piece immediately made me think of the exchange

between Binya Applebaum and Pete Buttigieg at the New York Times editorial board, right? You know,

the one I'm talking about. You work for a company that was fixing bread prices.

Maybe me saying this is just sort of, you know, maybe this is a rhetorical question.

But I mean, perhaps a way into this is given what you've said.

I mean, what was your reaction when you saw Buttigieg kind of tried to differentiate

the work that McKinsey did from the firm itself.

Yeah. I mean, it is really the case that when you're on a project, you are a full-time

equivalent for that client. And you're honestly working more than a typical person working for

that company. They might be working nine to five and you're working like eight to

seven and then doing more at the hotel. And yeah, you have your own email address. You are connected to

their systems. And yeah, I think that like you were essentially on the hook for what those clients

are doing or like the parts of it that you're working on. Another thing that was funny about people to

Judge's arguments about McKinsey is like,

he's like, my hands are tied. I signed an NDA. I can't name my clients. But I looked at my

NDA, which is probably about the same as what he signed. And it doesn't say anything about naming

clients. This is actually just a norm within McKinsey that you don't name your clients, but

it's not prohibited legally or by thissey that you don't name your clients, but it's not prohibited legally

...