Yeah, no, I mean so for me just to step back a little bit something you were saying earlier

like for me it's more about being able to like lay out the five-sentence version of what we would do and why it would be much

better than this world. So it's not like an extensive blueprint of that and I've

been doing a lot more research on like all these different answers to the question of how it would work.

And it's interesting. I think there's a bunch of different ways to do it.

But in any case, what I mean by saying that abundance is a social relationship is that what what when you read like people like Thomas Moore and kind of earlier thinkers and like the history of the beautiful idea of communism.

You'll just see that like what they mean by abundance is not what it came to mean in like basically like 19th century

economics which starts to redefine the meaning of scarcity like in the 19th century

scarcity means like a defined period of lack of access to basic goods.

You know, there's a period of scarcity and abundance would mean never having a period like that,

never having a period of scarcity.

So for me, abundance means organizing society

in a way that we have this core of work that we organize in a planned way that meets

everyone's needs like without question kind of in the UBI mode but not by money right by actually

organizing cooperatively the work that has to be done and on that basis that

functions as a kind of post-scarcity machine or abundance machine that produces the

experience of abundance outside of that sector. So essentially it like creates a

world where you just don't worry like no one can ever go hungry again no one can like

find out that because they're not willing to do something they're the fundamental

material conditions of their life are going to be taken away from them.

And that feeling of abundance, first of all, it would transform what, like how the work relationship

exists in the realm of remaining necessary work, because it would mean that because

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