Hello and we're going to debate two things the L word and we're going to debate two things the L word and the W word the L word is lesbians

What's the debate about that?

Sorry.

And W is W is Wokness.

So you have done several videos lately?

Yes.

And you had one with Carl?

Yes.

That you did about liberalism and wokeness on how the former gave birth to the latter, allegedly?

I did see hilarious comment from one of our viewers that said the audio engineering here is miraculous because they couldn't hear you

pounding your fists on the walls throughout the discussion. I saw that as well and that was a very funny

comment and you also had another video on the live podcast with a guest and

Carl that you also asked me to watch. Oh with Ralph Schohhammer yes. And I thought that was an interesting video because it was very brilliantly put, but again, I think I disagree with the massive, with the overwhelming majority of what was being said. But let us structure the conversation.

I think we should talk about liberalism and the comprehensive liberalism side of things because this is a term that is constantly used on our debates

Then talk a bit about what wokness is because I think we have distinct interpretations of the phenomena.

I have a very cynical interpretation of it.

It seems that you think that a lot of people actually believe that thing?

I'm going to frame it in an interesting way but yes I think the conviction is sincere.

Okay I think that for the for the key players wokeness is just a very cynical endeavor

but we'll see about that and then tie the two conversations together.

Right? Yep, absolutely. So let me just start with saying the following. It seems to me

that it is counterproductive to talk about liberalism with a capital L.

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