Hello and welcome to Brokonomics now in this episode we're extremely lucky to be joined by Robert Spencer from jihad watch

Robert thank you very much for coming on

Glad to be here thank you

now um our eagle-eyed viewers will notice that we're talking via the miracle of

satellite technology. You haven't come to the UK for this one. You're actually banned from the UK, aren't you, Robert?

Yes, that's right. It's been ten years now.

I was going to go to a memorial for Lee Rigby, who was murdered by a jihadi on the street in London and then the jihadi went to a camera, a guy who was filming nearby and while he's holding his bloody cleaver he started to explain why he had done it based on passages from the Quran.

And I thought that was ironic because when the home office wrote me a letter saying that I was not allowed to come into

Britain, they said that the reason why was because I taught that Islam has a doctrine of warfare

against unbelievers, which is exactly what this guy has said.

Where did you get that idea, Robert?

Yeah, it's crazy, I know.

So I mean, I have a bit of a theory on this well I remember the killing of Lee Rigby well and the

and and and watching it with yeah with the guys I mean they were they were perfectly up front

They were perfectly proud of what they had done, but I have a theory on this.

I don't think that governments ban people who say things that are untrue, and I don't think

governments ban people who say things that are helpful to them. I think in order to get banned you

need to be saying something which is a combination of both true and

unhelpful to the government's agenda. Oh absolutely yeah I remember when

Theresa May was Prime Minister and she boasted in a speech that she had kicked Abu Hamza and Abu Katada out of Britain and had banned me and Pamela Geller from coming in and she was trying to

set up in other words the equivalence the idea that I am just like Abu Hamza on the other side.

Now, Abu Hamza, for those who may not know,

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