Like, for instance, if when you had written the thing about me and you have that line, which I'm quoting my memory here more or less, but you say, you know, like there is no vision. Like there's no reason he cares about the policy. It's just like whatever. Like if you had emailed me and said like, what is your vision? What? You would have had disconfirming evidence, right? Obviously, I have a vision. There's some reason I care about policies. And like, this to me is sort of the difference between takedowns and profiles. And I don't want to be,

I don't actually like want to be up on a high horse here because I actually think that both approaches have their value and they have their drawbacks. I mean, as you say in your critique of

me, you know, sometimes if you go out and you like try to listen to people too much, you end up having trouble kind of seeing what they're really about because people's explanation of themselves is not always true to their effect on the world.

But if you also don't listen to people, you miss what they're about.

Like they're, look, like if you had con to Pete Buttigieg with that article, I think I bet you that he does not recognize a version of himself he sees that you see there. Like, I certainly don't recognize a version of myself that I saw in your piece. And that's okay. It's not necessarily on you to do that. But I, by the same token, there is something lost if like we're all just going through telling other people like what we think of them as opposed to try and understand what they think of themselves.