Inside Lewin Davis seems one of the most perfect articulations of their worldview, their philosophy.

As you said, their metaphysics.

There are people over the years who have been sort of turned off by them have sensed, I don't

think this, but have sensed like a deep cynicism in them, or this ends in a very similar way

to something like burn after reading or a serious man,

where it ends on this note of not nihilism, but dark fatalism.

And to what extent do you personally vibrate with that?

Well, quite a lot because, I mean, I think it is, I think often the Cohen brothers are making

a very true statement of, I do think a lot about where we end up.

I mean, I think human beings have agency. I don't want to get too kind of cerebral about this but but I do think you know

so much of what happens is you know unseen and beyond our control and is kind of arbitrary and I think

all you can really do is sort of push back against the arbitrariness of things and assert whatever agency or kind of individuality, you know, you do have. And that's what being a human

being is all about. There's something very powerful in No Country for Old Man, where you have the

Tommy Lee Jones character who, you know, quite literally to the title of the movie, which of course

is famously taken from sailing to Byzantium, it's no country for this old man anymore. Like he spent his life fighting evil, and he's

finally grown weary from it. He can no longer comprehend. And in that movie, evil is

depicted as this endless struggle that is almost impossible to go up against, but people must

continue trying. Until the very end,

when finally the Javier Bardem character, this embodiment of the unflappability of evil,

finally gets injured. And there's some indication that, well, maybe if you push hard enough,

eventually you will get a chink in evil's armor, which is the extent of optimism in the Cohen

brothers' work. Well, and it's like,

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