There's a way in here, so there's got to be a way out.

Do you think they go to all the trouble to build this thing if we could just walk out?

The whole point of it seems to me that the cube can be whatever you want it to be.

If you were a nihilist and believe that life is meaningless, it can be that.

Or you can believe that the government did it, or you can believe that an eccentric rich guy did it.

Would you agree, or do you have a particular reading of it?

Well, I don't know.

I think I do have a particular reading of it, although I suspect heavily inflected by other

things I've been thinking about recently and which we were just talking about at the start

of the conversation.

I'll just say the fact that like the cop character is the bad guy in the film is the one dimension of the plot where Natale really kind of puts his cards on the table. You know, he's he's an anti-authoritarian. He's for communal solidarity. Yeah, and cooperation, right? Because if they have just tried to figure things out at the start and all work together using their different skills, they would have had a better outcome and at least, you know, a few more of them

might have made it out or all of them might have even made it out. I think that message is pretty

indisputable. But I think my interpretation of the movie is a kind of synthesis of the two

poles of possibility we were discussing earlier. So poll number one being that the cube is a passive

system and poll number two that it's been designed for a specific purpose. I think I come down

somewhere in between. I mean, look, the cube, it can't be a passive system entirely. Taken

holistically, the cube cannot ultimately be a passive system because there's too much complexity

to it.

They clearly, Cube clearly shows evidence of design.

I mean, it's such a complicated system that there is a mathematical, a discernible mathematical

formula that governs how it's put together, how it operates.

Also, the very idea of putting booby traps into a room, like that's an ideological decision. That's saying

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